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Side of Ham
9:48 Sun Jan 30
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Was the Northern Irish conflict leading to a genocide of another religions presence from the Isles? I’m trying to fathom why we went in let alone still get the blame for it all.
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Bamber
9:27 Sun Jan 30
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And before I forget, back in the early 2000s I got the chance to interview a Loyalist gunman at length as part of my training for working with offenders. He talked about how he couldn't wait to be old enough to be handed a gun to go and kill Catholics, any Catholics. His original reason was that he knew that the friendly neighbourhood British soldiers, he had grown to know and like were killed by Catholics. They used to stop and chat and give lifts in their armoured cars then they were killed. In later life, he recognised that as kids, they'd acted as human shields for the soldiers.
His conversion came when he served time for murder in the Maze prison and he ended up friends with the IRA prisoners in there. He saw that they were basically the same as him, lots in common and fighting for similar reasons as footsoldiers acting on behalf of causes they had been indoctrinated into. This thinking and realisation is the basis of the Northern Ireland peace agreement that your current government are playing games with all because Boris (and May) promised the DUP that nothing would change when he knew that was impossible. If terrorism on both sides returns, the guilty party is obvious to anyone with eyes to see.
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Westside
9:23 Sun Jan 30
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While I'm at it, for the sake of a little thought exercise, had Germany successfully conquered the UK in 1945, would you expect there to be still armed resistance at this stage particularly if they systematically massacred large numbers of British citizens? How would you regard anyone still fighting against the invading power? Heroes? Terrorists?
Talking about Germany, the population doesn't seem to have much of a chip on their shoulder about hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by the RAF. The Irish seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders, about a few deaths, on Bloody Sunday still.
Once the IRA stopped solely targeting "invaders, " i.e. troops, and blowing up civilians, kneecapping criminals, handing out punishment beatings, murdering those they deemed informers (the disappeared) and still not telling their families of some, where they were buried, they lost any semblance of being "freedom fighters."
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Council Scum
9:19 Sun Jan 30
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"Now read the report of the Saville Enquiry"
Much like
"Read the Taylor report"
Or
"Read the Macpherson report"
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Side of Ham
9:16 Sun Jan 30
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It was the 20th century and still there was enough hatred between two very similar religions to want to kill each other, I wasn’t interested in Irish culture because of this as I’ll be honest it was backwards……us going in and what it turned into just sickened me because our culture was telling us religion is a good thing….
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Bamber
9:07 Sun Jan 30
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While I'm at it, for the sake of a little thought exercise, had Germany successfully conquered the UK in 1945, would you expect there to be still armed resistance at this stage particularly if they systematically massacred large numbers of British citizens? How would you regard anyone still fighting against the invading power? Heroes? Terrorists?
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Bamber
9:00 Sun Jan 30
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That was a dumb response. We grew up with the Big Match and Match of the Day and most of the best Irish players have played in England. I had a great chat with Frank O'Farrell once about his coming to England to join West Ham. It's popular entertainment for us not our DNA. It's also a great example of how we know your history and culture as well as you do while you know next to fuck all about your nearest neighbour.
Now back to the point of my post. What level of warped revision leads to a thread here basically celebrating the massacre of innocent people by heavily armed soldiers? All the victims were British citizens but nobody has taken responsibility for it. If it was a legitimate military action, where are the medals and knighthoods. Now read the report of the Saville Enquiry before popping your ignorant head into this discussion again.
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mashed in maryland
8:17 Sun Jan 30
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"The level of pure ignorance on this thread is evidence of the cognitive dissonance required for a nation to cling to some positive slant on their history of colonial brutality"
Why do so many foreigners choose to support a British football club and then post shit like that?
Reckon this happens with any other country in the world?
Bet there's not a single say Frenchman who chooses to support Galatasaray and then slag off the Ottoman empire, or even Brit who supports an Irish team and insults the Irish.
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Kearley
8:01 Sun Jan 30
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How are the British army in Northern Ireland invaders?
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zebthecat
7:53 Sun Jan 30
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twoleftfeet 6:45 Sun Jan 30
It is possible to abhor those things and what happened on Bloody Sunday as well.
Ages ago (before the peace agreement) I was a finance officer in the MoD Procurement Exceutive and one of the things I was responsible for was for EOD equipment. What I learned there from the military people I worked with was an eye-opener.
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Northern Sold
7:39 Sun Jan 30
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As on off set.... Belfast the new film by Sir kenny Branagh is a superb watch
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Side of Ham
7:34 Sun Jan 30
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Cheers Sold, I didn’t think we just went in with our ‘colonial’ heads on…..
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Far Cough
7:14 Sun Jan 30
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Anyone remember the then leader of the Provos, Seán Mac Stíofáin or as he was born John Edward Drayton Stephenson?
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Northern Sold
7:09 Sun Jan 30
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Daft thing was the British Army was sent over there to help out the poor old outnumbered catholics.... open arms to begin with... but agreed ... should have just left them to blow each other up ... lot easier and less messy.
The British Government ordered the deployment of troops to Northern Ireland in August 1969. This was to counter the growing disorder surrounding civil rights protests and an increase in sectarian violence during the traditional Protestant marching season.
The Roman Catholic population of Northern Ireland had little faith in the local police force, viewing the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) as a pro-Protestant organisation. Initially, it was hoped that the British Army might be more readily accepted as a neutral peacekeeping force.
But this optimism was misplaced. Despite the Army coming under the control of the Secretary of State for Defence in London, many Catholics saw it as a tool of the Unionist Government in Northern Ireland.
Accordingly, the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA), which had formed in 1969 and whose membership was growing, increased levels of violence against both the police and the Army.
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Side of Ham
7:01 Sun Jan 30
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Erm, wasn’t the reason we went in because the catholics were about to slaughter the Protestants over there?
That is our history on it?
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Westham67
6:54 Sun Jan 30
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Bamber 6:13 Sun Jan 30
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twoleftfeet
6:45 Sun Jan 30
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A forum full of IRA sympathisers.
Blowing up people in pubs, killing kids and torturing people.
You are on the wrong side of history.
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twoleftfeet
6:43 Sun Jan 30
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So you are saying a widowed mother of 10 wasn’t kidnapped by the IRA and then shot in the back of the head and buried in a bog.
Google Jean McConville.
You’re welcome.
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twoleftfeet
6:41 Sun Jan 30
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Daveyg.
Why don’t you fuck off you stupid fucking mong.
Big man behind the keyboard aren’t you.
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Far Cough
6:39 Sun Jan 30
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I don't think it was a good idea to send the Paras in, who are basically shock troops, for what was essentially a policing operation
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White Pony
6:21 Sun Jan 30
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You’re wasting your time, Bamber son.
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